Piers interviews Steve Bannon, a key figure in the MAGA movement and former advisor to President Trump, delves into the tumultuous relationship between politics and technology. He discusses Trump's potential 2028 run, reflecting on past electoral strategies and grassroots mobilization. Bannon critiques Elon Musk's influence on political dynamics and offers insights into America's role in the Ukraine conflict. His personal journey through incarceration reveals surprising resilience, sparking a debate on prison reform and the implications of political decisions post-Brexit.
The Good: One thing we appreciate about Bannon is that he puts it all out there for you to hear and judge for yourself. He does that in this episode by admitting that he is "as hard right as you can get in the United States" and that he is a "populist nationalist" So, you know what you are getting with Bannon. Now to be clear, we place this sort of admission in the "good category", not necessarily because we agree with everything in those positions, but rather because he's clear and consistent. For example, he still clearly is concerned with Musk on the H1-B visa issue. Bannon believes he can "cure" Musk of his globalist leaning.
The Brexit discussion was worth as listen as it pits Piers (a Brit) against Bannon. Bannon claims that the UK never implemented a plan to follow up on the vote and it has cost them. The second area of disagreement between the two was around Ukraine. Bannon claims strongly that the US "does not have a dog in the fight". Morgan strongly pushes back. There is also a fairly interesting discussion with Bannon about his months in prison that is fascinating to think about with regard to someone who has been so close to power.
The Bad: We don't understand Bannon's with casting Musk as a "broligarch" or as a "transhumanist". His concern about AI and "CRISPR" and Nuerolink being dark and evil don't make sense. In general, Bannon's general disposition doesn't necessarily leave you feeling warm and fuzzy, but he's not trying to.
THE POD SCORE: 3 Mics (of 5)